Newsgroups: rec.games.trivia,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1950s,rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1960s From: hat@bell-labs.com (Howard Teitelbaum) Subject: RESULTS and ANSWER KEY for Golden Oldies Lyrics Quiz #116 (GOLQ116) Message-ID: Organization: GOLQ, Inc. Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:48:11 GMT RESULTS and ANSWER KEY for GOLDEN OLDIES LYRICS QUIZ #116 Congratulations to Barry, Scooter, & Joe, who won the quiz with a perfect score. Just behind them, missing only the tie-breakers, was Really Rockin' in Boston. Jamie & Norm finished a very close third, missing only one regular song. The Gypsy's Caravan deserves mention for their over-400 performance. There were also strong showings by 10 other entrants who finished in the 300's. As always, thanks to everyone who entered! GOLQ#117, by Nick Lazar of Delphi Trivia Club, has been posted. _____________________________________________________________________________ After each score below are two characters representing the two tie-breakers: A "+" indicates a tie-breaker answered correctly; a "-" indicates partial credit; an "x" indicates a totally incorrect guess; a "." indicates no guess. E-mail addresses have '&' substituted for '@'. Place ID # on Score Name team Age(s) 01 500++ BS Barry Silk, Scooter Magruder, Joe Haertel 3 40s 02 500xx RR Really Rockin' in Boston 5 40s,50 03 480++ JN Jamie Lubin & Norm Katuna 2 51-52 04 419++ GY The Gypsy's Caravan 4 21+ 05 390++ OT Mike Weaver, Ben Bagdonas, George McClellan 3 50+ 06 380.+ DE Delphi Trivia Club (Nick, HQR, Ellie, Di, Tony, Howard, PH) 7 27-55 07 370+. MD Michael Gessner and Dan DiNardo 2 -- 08 360.. JW James White 1 49 09 350.+ MF Michael Flint 1 45rpm 10 340.+ AD Antonio Torralba, Dominic Begg, Ben Rowdon and Tunde 4 27-47 11 340xx AS Team Asia (Barry Chamish, Mitch Herczeg, Idelle Ross, Larry Gamliel) 4 45-46 12 320.+ TP T. P. Uschanov 1 -- 13 300.+ CO The Coasters (Rick & Kathy Schubert and Marc Dashevsky) 3 44,48,45 14 300.. SP Sanford Stein, Paul Hallaman, Jim Medellin 3 47,46,40 15 290.. LE Lori Bailey, Ed Toutant, Tom Adams, Dan Rector, 5 baby Rick Crane boomers 16 280.+ EJ The EJ'S & Co.: Ellis, Jeff, Jim, Steve, Molly, Vinnie, Jake, Mitch, Nancy, Jean, Kim, Denise 12 30+ 17 280.. OZ OZfossils 4 50+/- 18 258.+ BC Bob Storch, Ron & Sally Crandall 3 40s 19 250.- TC Team Corning 4 various 20 239.. WV Wendy Vickers 1 42 21 233.. EQ L'Equipe (Peter Cussons, Bob & Dee Harrold, Margaret Thomas and Denis Menard) 5 Avg. 49 22 220.. CC Cole & Cole 2 15,51 23 210.. RA Ron Anderson 1 47 24 200.. CS Curt Miller, Steve Potter 2 48,50 25 190+. PJ Jyrki Ilva, Pekka Halonen 2 29,29 26 179+. JP John Politis 1 53 27 174.. EK Evelyn Martinez, Kevin Wiley, Roger Smith 3 47 T28 160.. BL Bruce Long 2 50 T28 160.. GC Gregory Chambers 1 44 T28 160.. WM Will McCorry 1 40 31 150.. KN Kathy and Norm Crandall 2 41 32 130.. TO Tom O'Connor 2 30s 33 120.. BT Bonnie Teitelbaum 1 47 34 40.. BE Beamer & Trav 2 18,19 T35 20.. BR Bryan Shailer 1 33 T35 20.. MM Marc Meltzer 1 25 ______________________________________________________________________________ The following table gives the individual scoring breakdown. For songs 01-25, a '.' is used to indicate that no guess was made for a question, whereas a zero indicates that a completely incorrect response was submitted. For tie-breakers (songs T1 & T2), a "+" indicates full credit, a "-" indicates partial credit, an "x" indicates incorrect guess, and a "." indicates no guess. Song# TT ID 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BS 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 ++ RR 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 xx JN 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 0 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 ++ GY 20 20 . 0 19 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 . 20 20 20 20 20 20 . 20 20 20 ++ OT 20 0 20 10 20 0 20 20 0 20 20 0 20 20 . 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 ++ DE 20 0 0 0 20 20 20 20 0 0 20 20 20 20 0 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 .+ MD 20 20 0 0 20 0 20 20 0 20 20 20 20 20 0 20 20 20 20 20 10 0 20 20 20 +. JW 20 20 20 . 20 20 20 20 . 20 20 20 20 20 . 20 . 20 20 20 . . 20 20 . .. MF 20 0 . 20 20 20 20 20 0 20 20 20 20 20 . . 10 20 20 20 20 . . 20 20 .+ AD 20 0 . . 20 20 20 20 . . 20 20 20 20 20 . 20 . 20 20 20 . 20 20 20 .+ AS 20 0 20 0 20 20 20 20 0 0 20 20 20 20 0 0 20 0 20 20 20 20 20 20 0 xx TP 20 . 20 20 20 20 20 20 . . 20 . 20 20 20 . . 20 20 20 20 . 20 . . .+ CO 20 . 20 . 20 20 20 20 0 . 20 20 20 20 . . 20 0 . 20 20 0 0 20 20 .+ SP 20 20 0 . 20 20 20 20 0 . 20 0 20 20 . 20 . . 20 20 20 . 0 20 20 .. LE 20 . . . . 20 20 20 20 . 20 20 10 20 20 . 20 . . 20 20 . 20 20 . .. EJ 20 0 0 0 0 20 20 20 0 . 20 0 20 20 . 0 0 . 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 .+ OZ 20 . . . . . 20 20 . 20 20 0 20 20 20 . 20 0 20 20 20 0 20 20 . .. BC 20 . 18 0 20 20 20 20 . 0 20 20 20 20 . . . . . 20 20 20 . . . .+ TC 20 . . 20 . 20 10 20 . . 20 20 20 20 . . . . 20 20 20 . . 20 . .- WV 20 . . . 19 20 20 20 0 20 20 . 20 20 . . . . . 20 20 . . 20 . .. EQ 20 . . . . 20 20 . 3 . 20 . 10 20 . . 20 . 20 20 20 . 20 20 . .. CC 20 20 . . . . 20 . . 20 20 . 20 20 . . . . 20 20 20 . 20 . . .. RA 20 10 . . . . 10 20 20 . 20 20 10 20 . 20 . . . 20 20 . . . . .. CS 20 . . . . . 20 . . . 20 . 20 20 . 20 20 . . 20 20 . . 20 . .. PJ 20 0 20 . . 10 20 . . . . 20 20 . . . . 0 20 20 20 . . . 20 +. JP 20 . . . 19 . 20 . . . 20 . 20 20 . . 20 0 . 20 0 . 20 . . +. EK 10 . . . . . 20 . . . 20 . 10 20 . . . 16 18 20 20 . . 20 . .. BL 20 . . . . . 20 . . 0 20 . 20 20 . . . . . . 20 . 20 20 . .. GC 20 . . . . . 20 20 . . 20 . 20 20 . . . . . 20 20 . . . . .. WM 20 . . . . . 20 20 . . . . 20 20 . . . . . 20 20 . . 20 . .. KN 20 0 . . . . . . 0 . 20 . 20 20 . . . 0 10 20 20 . . 20 . .. TO 20 . . . . . . . . . 20 20 20 . . . . . . 10 20 . 20 . . .. BT 20 . . . . . 20 . . . . . 20 . . . . . . 20 20 . . 20 . .. BE 20 . . . . . 10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 . .. BR 20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. MM 20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ID 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 12 ______________________________________________________________________________ GOLDEN OLDIES LYRICS QUIZ #116 ANSWERS: Answers are in the form: #number) Artist: "Title" (year) [peak Pop] {peak R&B} where "peak Pop" = Peak position achieved on the weekly Billboard Pop chart "peak R&B" = Peak position on the weekly Billboard Rhythm & Blues chart -Billboard had no R&B chart from 30 Nov 63 thru 23 Jan 65, so "n/c" (no chart) is used for songs of this period. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Closer, let me whisper in your ear Say the words you long to hear I'm in love with you #01) The Beatles: "Do You Want to Know a Secret" (1964) [2] {n/c} [A Lennon/McCartney composition; recorded during their marathon 11 Feb 1963 session, during which they recorded ten songs to complete their first album, "Please Please Me." Mixed to mono & stereo on 25 Feb, with LP release on 22 Mar 1963. In the U.S., VeeJay Records released it on a single, backed with "Thank You Girl," in March 1964, and also included it on their "Introducing the Beatles" LP. The Gypsy's Caravan noted: "First US release of this song was in summer 1963 by Billy J. Kramer and the Dakotas - IMHO still the better version!!)"] Left or right to the tempo And in case you get a notion Jump in the air, come down in slow motion #02) Gary (U.S.) Bonds: "Twist, Twist Senora" (1962) [9] {-} [Based on the calypso song "Shake Shake Senora (Jump in the Line)."] Should I kiss her on the cheek Or kiss her on the chin Or kiss her tiny fingertips? Shall I kiss her pretty nose Or try to kiss her on the lips? #03) Mike Clifford: "What to Do with Laurie" (1962/63) [68] {-} [Jamie & Norm noted: "Producers Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller were among the writers."] Sweet dreams Oh, where did they fly to? You're gone, and whom can I cry to? #04) Nat "King" Cole: "Night Lights" (1956/57) [11] {-} [This song was inexplicably missed by Team Cole & Cole! Flip side, "To the Ends of the Earth," also charted.] I got a letter just the other day Tellin' me that she was on her way And she wants me to meet her at the station #05) Sam Cooke: "Good News" (1964) [10] {n/c} [Cooke also wrote the song.] And when the leaves begin to fall Answering old winter's call I feel my tears, they fall like rain #06) The Critters: "Mr. Dieingly Sad" (1966) [17] {-} [The EJ's noted: "The biggest hit for the quintet from New Jersey, their only song to make the Top 30."] When you were only startin' To go to kindergarten I'll bet you drove those other childs wild #07) Bobby Darin: "You Must Have Been a Beautiful Baby" (1961) [5] {-} [Originally from the 1938 film "Hard To Get," starring Dick Powell, Olivia de Havilland, and others. Tommy Dorsey & His Orchestra charted with this song in '38, but Bing Crosby had the definitive version, topping the charts for 2 weeks in '38/'39. During the GOLQ era, the Dave Clark Five had a charting cover in 1967.] Knock, knock, let me in I won't go away I'm gonna see you if it takes all day #08) Derek: "Cinnamon" (1968/69) [11] {-} ["Derek" was a briefly-used stage name of Johnny Cymbal (a fact noted by many entrants), who co-wrote and co-produced the record with George Tobin. Cymbal, best known for the 1963 novelty "Mr. Bass Man," noted in an interview: "... I had this deal to produce Gene Pitney and some other acts. I did the vocals on 'Cinnamon,' but I thought, I can't go out on the road and produce these things at the same time. So my brother, who's really named Derek and who was part of my band at the time, went out as me -- he did the road work. Hey, there were three different touring versions of the Crystals, and two different versions of the Drifters, so it seemed like a good idea to have two different Dereks." The EJ's added: "'Cinnamon' contained allegedly 'dirty lyrics,' and Derek exploited the controversy with a suggestively titled follow-up, 'Back Door Man.'"] Hey, all of you women Now, don't come around Unless you weigh Around 400 pounds #09) Dr. Feelgood & The Interns: "Doctor Feel-Good" (1962) [66] {-} ["Dr. Feelgood" was vocalist/pianist Willie Perryman (1911-1985), who was better known by the nickname "Piano Red" (under which name he had 5 R&B chart entries in 1950/51). The B-side of this record was the original version of "Mr. Moonlight," later covered by The Beatles on their "Beatles for Sale" LP ("Beatles '65" in the U.S.).] That would be much more than I could take And if I saw a tear fall from your eye Darling, don't you know that I would die #10) The Drifters: "(If You Cry) True Love, True Love" (1959/60) [33] {5} [B-side of "Dance with Me."] When you see me shed a tear And you know that it's sincere Don't you think it's kinda sad That you're treatin' me so bad Or don't you even care? #11) The Everly Brothers: "Cathy's Clown" (1960) [1] {1} [T.P. noted: "Their first single for Warner Bros, who signed the brothers for a then sensational sum in 1960. The EJ's noted: "Written by Don and Phil Everly; produced by Dick Glassner. A song about Don's high school girlfriend, five years after their breakup. This was the Everlys' first hit for their new label, Warner, a #1 on the Pop and R&B charts, and a million seller."] When you get tired of runnin' around (runnin' around, all over town) All of your friends puttin' you down (puttin' you down, all over town) Don't do your cryin' alone #12) The 4 Seasons featuring the "Sound" of Frankie Valli: "Girl Come Running" (1965) [30] {-} [Written by group member Bob Gaudio and their producer, Bob Crewe.] She danced around and 'round, to a guitar melody From the fire, her face was all aglow How she enchanted me! Oh, how I'd like to hold her near And kiss, and forever whisper in her ear #13) The Impressions: "Gypsy Woman" (1961/62) [20] {2} [Many noted Brian Hyland's 1970/71 cover, which fits alphabetically but is not in the GOLQ time frame. The EJ's noted: "Written by Curtis Mayfield. This was the group's first hit after their split with original lead singer Jerry Butler, and the first on their new label ABC-Paramount."] She thinks her advice is a contribution But if she would leave, that would be the solution #14) Ernie K-Doe: "Mother-in-Law" (1961) [1] {1} [Bass voice is that of Benny Spellman. "K-Doe" is a phonetic spelling of his actual surname, "Kador" (as pronounced in his native New Orleans). Song was written by Allen Toussaint; K-Doe claims to have rescued the song from Toussaint's trash can, although the song's author disputes that account. In an interview, Ernie related: "'Mother-in-Law' wasn't a hard song to sing because my mother-in-law was staying in my house. I was married 19 years, and it was 19 years of pure sorrow. When I sang, 'Satan should be her name,' I meant that -- oooh, she was a lowdown." The popularity of "Mother-in-Law" prompted an answer song, "Son-in-Law," by The Blossoms later in '61. In the post-GOLQ era, Clarence Carter charted with his cover of "Mother-in-Law" in 1973. The EJ's added that Toussaint produced and played piano on the recording.] If I gathered all my means In a pile beside me It couldn't help fulfill my dreams #15) The Mamas & The Papas: "For the Love of Ivy" (1968) [81] {-} I'm not the kind of guy to ever hurt you Or let you down So, if that guy you're seeing ever makes you cry, leave him #16) The Newbeats: "Run, Baby Run (Back into My Arms)" (1965/66) [12] {-} Come on, baby, let me take you by the hand Come on, sugar, let me take you by the hand #17) Roy Orbison: "Candy Man" (1961) [25] {-} 'Til you smiled and took my hand I felt kind of small But you stood by me for the whole world to see And then I was ten feet tall #18) Tony Orlando: "Bless You" (1961) [15] {-} [Jamie & Norm noted: Written by Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil; arranged by Carole King."] Love is a thing you never can share When you bring a friend into your love affair #19) Elvis Presley: "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" (1957) [58] {-} [B-side of "All Shook Up." The EJ's noted: "This was the song's only appearance on the pop chart, but it was actually written in 1937 and originally recorded by The Ink Spots in 1941."] Oh, she may be weary Young girls, they do get weary Wearing that same old shaggy dress #20) Otis Redding: "Try a Little Tenderness" (1966/67) [25] {4} [Other versions of this song use "shabby dress," but Otis definitely says "shaggy." Many charted versions: Ruth Etting (1933), Ted Lewis & His Band (1933), Aretha Franklin (1962), Three Dog Night (1969), and The Commitments (1991, from the film "The Commitments"). The EJ's noted: "Written by Reg Connelly, Harry Woods, and Jimmy Campbell; produced by Otis Redding, Jim Stewart, and Steve Cropper. Redding's manager, Phil Walden, heard a version by Sam Cooke on his album 'Live at the Copa,' and urged Redding to record it---which he did, in a style very different from Cooke's. Includes notable performances by Al Jackson on drums and Booker T. on the organ." Tom O'Connor also noted a version by Frank Sinatra.] I was raised by a toothless, bearded hag I was schooled with a strap right across my back #21) The Rolling Stones: "Jumpin' Jack Flash" (1968) [3] {-} Covered by Johnny Winter (1971) and Aretha Franklin (1986, from the film of the same name). Cole & Cole noted: "The Electronics Consultant's refrain: 'I was ground, with a spike right through my head.'" Jamie & Norm noted: "Hit #1 in the UK." The EJ's noted: "Written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards; produced by Jimmy Miller."] 'Cause when you kids are gone we get to spend some time alone here That's our only chance to use the bathtub or the phone here When you're away Besides, we're stuck where we are Because you kids took our money, you kids took our car #22) Allan Sherman: "Crazy Downtown" (1965) [40] {-} [A parody of Petula Clark's "Downtown." Team Asia noted: "Before the Beatles arrived, Sherman was the radio hero to two Team Asia members and many, many other Jewish American adolescents. He remains the finest song parodist of all time."] These are the arms that held him And touched him Then lost him somehow #23) Sandy Stewart: "My Coloring Book" (1962/63) [20] {-} [Kitty Kallen's version charted around the same time. Tom O'Connor mentioned a Barbra Streisand LP version. T.P. noted: "Inspired a painting of the same name by the British pop artist Pauline Boty (1938-1966)." The EJ's noted: "With Don Costa's orchestra. For both Stewart and Kallen, "My Coloring Book" was their last song to make the pop chart."] When did I get, where did I, how was I caught in this game? When will I know, where will I, how will I think of my name? #24) Dionne Warwick: "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls" (1968) [2] {13} [Instrumental cover later in '68 by King Curtis & The Kingpins. Jamie & Norm noted: "Written by Andre & Dore Previn; produced by Burt Bacharach & Hal David." The EJ's added: "Arranged by John Williams. The title song from the 1967 film." Mike Weaver of Oldtunes, referring to Dionne's recent infomercials, quipped: "Since I don't happen to have this one I had to call the Psychic Hotline to get a reading. My personal psychic predicted I would get 20 points if my answer was correct."] You go walkin' down Broadway Watchin' people catch the subway Take it from me, don't ask for a helpin' hand 'Cause no one will understand #25) Jackie Wilson: "No Pity (In the Naked City)" (1965) [59] {25} Jamie & Norm noted: "Jackie was among the writers."] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIE-BREAKERS: Our home is a shambles All I treasured is gone The town seems deserted Everyone's so forlorn #T1) The Harptones: "The Shrine of St. Cecilia" (1957) [-] {-} [Originally a hit for The Andrews Sisters in 1941. Also, a charted version by Faron Young in '57 (pop #96).] You made me feel so blue, you made me weep and moan You made me feel so blue, yeah, you made me weep and moan 'Cause you ain't lookin' for a woman All you're lookin' is for a home #T2) Willie Mae "Big Mama" Thornton: "Hound Dog" (1953) [-] {1} [Topped the R&B charts for 7 weeks. Credited as with "Kansas City Bill" (actually, Johnny Otis) & Orchestra. Elvis' significantly-revised 1956 cover (a two-sided hit with "Don't Be Cruel") is actually closer to an intermediate 1955 version by Freddy Bell & The Bellboys. IMHO, the original lyrics make much more sense (as a woman singing about a sponging boyfriend) than do those of the Elvis version. T.P. noted: "Produced by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. This date, recorded in Los Angeles on 13 August 1952, was their first official producing job, as the intended producer, Johnny Otis, was busy on the other side of the glass. Otis both played vibes and conducted his orchestra, moonlighting here under the name of its drummer, Leard 'Kansas City' Bell." The EJ's noted: "Written by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller, reportedly at the request of bandleader Johnny Otis, who had 'Big Mama' Thornton as part of his revue. The song was written in 15 minutes. In 1956, the song became Elvis Presley's biggest hit of all time, selling some four million copies. Thornton, who died poor in a Los Angeles boardinghouse in 1984, said of the song, 'I got one check for $500 and I never seen another.'"] _____________________________________________________________________________ The following table ranks the songs from most recognized to least recognized. The first column indicates the average number of points scored on that song (total points divided by number of entrants). For comparison purposes, tie-breakers are scored here on the usual 20-point scale. Avg. Song ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19.72 #01) The Beatles: "Do You Want to Know a Secret" (1964) [2] {n/c} 17.50 #20) Otis Redding: "Try a Little Tenderness" (1966/67) [25] {4} 17.22 #13) The Impressions: "Gypsy Woman" (1961/62) [20] {2} 16.94 #07) Bobby Darin: "You Must Have Been a Beautiful Baby" (1961) [5] {-} 16.94 #21) The Rolling Stones: "Jumpin' Jack Flash" (1968) [3] {-} 16.67 #11) The Everly Brothers: "Cathy's Clown" (1960) [1] {1} 16.67 #14) Ernie K-Doe: "Mother-in-Law" (1961) [1] {1} 14.17 #24) Dionne Warwick: "(Theme from) Valley of the Dolls" (1968) [2] {13} 12.78 #08) Derek: "Cinnamon" (1968/69) [11] {-} 11.33 #19) Elvis Presley: "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" (1957) [58] {-} 10.56 #23) Sandy Stewart: "My Coloring Book" (1962/63) [20] {-} 10.28 #06) The Critters: "Mr. Dieingly Sad" (1966) [17] {-} 9.44 #12) The 4 Seasons featuring the "Sound' of Frankie Valli: "Girl Come Running" (1965) [30] {-} 9.36 #05) Sam Cooke: "Good News" (1964) [10] {n/c} 8.61 #17) Roy Orbison: "Candy Man" (1961) [25] {-} 7.22 #25) Jackie Wilson: "No Pity (In the Naked City)" (1965) [59] {25} 6.39 #T2) Big Mama Thornton: "Hound Dog" (1953) [-] {1} 6.11 #10) The Drifters: "(If You Cry) True Love, True Love" (1959/60) [33] {5} 6.11 #16) The Newbeats: "Run, Baby Run (Back into My Arms)" (1965/66) [12] {-} 6.00 #18) Tony Orlando: "Bless You" (1961) [15] {-} 5.50 #03) Mike Clifford: "What to Do with Laurie" (1962/63) [68] {-} 4.72 #02) Gary (U.S.) Bonds: "Twist, Twist Senora" (1962) [9] {-} 4.44 #22) Allan Sherman: "Crazy Downtown" (1965) [40] {-} 3.89 #T1) The Harptones: "The Shrine of St. Cecilia" (1957) [-] {-} 3.61 #04) Nat "King" Cole: "Night Lights" (1956/57) [11] {-} 3.42 #09) Dr. Feelgood & The Interns: "Doctor Feel-Good" (1962) [66] {-} 3.33 #15) The Mamas & The Papas: "For the Love of Ivy" (1968) [81] {-} * These songs were MORE recognized than I expected: #20, #23. * These songs were LESS recognized than I expected: #05, #06. * Each song was solved by at least 6 entrants. * This quiz used 6 songs "recycled" from previous quizzes in the GOLQ series: Songs #06, 11, 13, 14, and 16 were by the same artist as before, while the Elvis Presley version was previously used for #T2. _____________________________________________________________________________ -- Howard Teitelbaum (hat@bell-labs.com)